tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post6174307505190897563..comments2024-03-17T19:32:26.043+00:00Comments on Daughter of the Soil: Jean Charles de Menezes: a carnival of perjuryRebsie Fairholmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17811733792196954188noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-67947995161260991192010-02-05T21:29:36.736+00:002010-02-05T21:29:36.736+00:00I really enjoy your blog. I grew up on and own a 3...I really enjoy your blog. I grew up on and own a 300 acre Maine farm. Food that is plentiful, healthy and that you watched grow..know what went in to it is critical. Super blog.mooersrealtyhttp://www.mooersrealty.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-23617961165552023532009-03-06T18:40:00.000+00:002009-03-06T18:40:00.000+00:00Have only just found your site and absolutely love...Have only just found your site and absolutely love it. I'm a secretary of an allotment association and have only recently begun to explore the delights of heritage tomatoes.<BR/><BR/>However, I have to speak up for police officers...I used to be one in the Met and was on duty in Central London on the day of the 7/7 bombings and the cock-up on 21-22/7.<BR/><BR/>Firstly I think you are right to be outraged by an incident such as this as it was truly monstrous. But the terrorism threat hasn't been exaggerated to pass bad laws - it's just that too often the law is used badly. No police officer thinks it's ok to off people on the chance they maybe a terrorist and it's preposterous to suggest so. Operation Kratos was a very scenario specific piece of operational procedure - unfortunately there are alot of nasty things most people in their daily lives do not have to contemplate.<BR/><BR/>This inquest, and its handling, were designed to protect a minority of senior officers and government people. The average police officer is a hard working individual, doing a very neccesary job, and just trying to make it through his shift to get home to his loved ones - just like any other worker. The unlawful killing verdict was removed because it would have allowed the police marksmen to have been prosecuted and it is unacceptable to go round prosecuting officers who do their job.<BR/><BR/>Besides he rumour I heard whilst at my nick was that following 21/7 the surveillance was taken from the Met and taken over by special forces - could explain the cock up in identifying Jean - the government aren't going to go round prosecuting, let alone advertise, that a black op led to this death.<BR/><BR/>But to balance it out (and you'll think I'm odd here) I'm no real lover of the police anymore. Shortly after this event I was forced out of 'the job' for reporting a corrupt, racist officer. But I have to speak in support of my former colleagues when armchair criticism is taken as knowledgeable discussion.<BR/><BR/>Still love your stuff on here...<BR/><BR/>Andy HAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-78771853207512615162008-12-23T11:27:00.000+00:002008-12-23T11:27:00.000+00:00Apologies for posting a link, but this is an inter...Apologies for posting a link, but this is an interview with the woman who blew the whistle on the Metropolitan police after the shooting. She's been forced out of the UK by the bastards.<BR/><BR/>http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00g3336Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-88021274187653247532008-12-23T11:19:00.000+00:002008-12-23T11:19:00.000+00:00A sickening whitewash to protect corrupt police, t...A sickening whitewash to protect corrupt police, this makes me want to leave the UK for good. <BR/>To add insult to injury, in light of the verdict, it seems the UK police are now harassing the witnesses, arresting family members for made up offenses etc etc. It appalls me to think that we live in a fascist police state, but it seems this is the case. Scum, absolute scum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-52400743566975278712008-12-16T04:30:00.000+00:002008-12-16T04:30:00.000+00:00I heard about this via NPR and also the Alex Jones...I heard about this via NPR and also the Alex Jones show. What really scares me about all of this is that these sort of things are going on all over the WORLD now, in plain view at that! I think a gardening blog is definitely one place we can help expose the BS politics and agendas being promoted around the world, if more people don't start standing up for what is right and realizing what is going on right under their nose, then we will all be nothing more than cattle. Thanks for posting this Rebsie, in this day and age it takes a lot of courage to stand up for what is right and it's good to see our cousins in England do so!Bishops Homegrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16530035650083339042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-74032909583180272762008-12-15T17:28:00.000+00:002008-12-15T17:28:00.000+00:00Just wanted to say - this hit NPR in the states, m...Just wanted to say - this hit NPR in the states, mostly focusing on the WTF with the judge/jury options.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-32609041947033929522008-12-14T19:51:00.000+00:002008-12-14T19:51:00.000+00:00Just to even up the debate a little... in the days...Just to even up the debate a little... in the days after the London bombings, firearms officers were deployed to many hundreds of incidents where suspects were identified by the public as suicide bombers. Each incident was treated as if real, and in hundreds of incidents over just a couple of days we made the right decisions not to shoot. This one incident was a tragic, tragic mistake. How many more times can we apologize?Matronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705506930308472527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-45715688776350884422008-12-14T18:22:00.000+00:002008-12-14T18:22:00.000+00:00You're right of course, Rebsie. It was an appallin...You're right of course, Rebsie. It was an appalling cock-up and and an even more badly bodged 'cover-up'. Disgraceful.<BR/><BR/>Clearly the coroner was under instruction from higher up to whitewash it. The reason isn't hard to see; convicting police officers of manslaughter or murder for mistakes like this, in times of high terrorism alert, would be pretty disastrous. Every firearms officer in the Met would resign overnight (too frightened of the consequences of a mistake) and they'd be quite unable to recruit others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-63781936389507534312008-12-14T11:29:00.000+00:002008-12-14T11:29:00.000+00:00Agreed. Any powers that limit the verdict a jury ...Agreed. Any powers that limit the verdict a jury may reach should be removed immediately. Also, if we don't defend civil liberties from this steady erosion, we are f%**ed and taking care of our plots will be the least of our worries.<BR/><BR/>I've little interest in reading 'Mail on Sunday' type gardening blogs anyway.clodhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08055899083327712482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-76333335490216668752008-12-13T22:13:00.000+00:002008-12-13T22:13:00.000+00:00Absolutely agree with this post. An innocent man i...Absolutely agree with this post. An innocent man is dead. Just goes to show you that even in Great Briton we have corruption equivalent to a third world country.<BR/><BR/>What's more worrying is the amount of right winged keyboard warriors frequenting various forums calling this collateral damage and making it out like it was Jean Charles' fault. <BR/><BR/>Please do check out my blog too.Rossohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13516743883476727561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-18919939803710632882008-12-13T17:19:00.000+00:002008-12-13T17:19:00.000+00:00Yes we do have a civil court system, with a differ...Yes we do have a civil court system, with a different burden of proof. The coroner's court is something else again, and is only there to establish the facts surrounding a death rather than to apportion blame, so theoretically this could still go before a criminal or civil court.<BR/><BR/>The whole point of a jury is that they're supposed to reach an independent and impartial verdict on the evidence presented to them, and not just rubberstamp whatever the judge says.<BR/><BR/>The Vancouver incident was terrible too ... it made the news over here. Seems there's no limit to the efforts the police and judiciary will make to cover their backsides when they screw up.Rebsie Fairholmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17811733792196954188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-17481754760365154782008-12-13T13:19:00.000+00:002008-12-13T13:19:00.000+00:00i agree. the de menezes jury was hamstrung from t...i agree. the de menezes jury was hamstrung from the start when the judge determined that there was no clear evidence of intent (cops were caught up in the climate, etc.). isn't that what the jury is suppossed to determine? being american, i am not sure how your court systems work. here, the family would have immediatley filed an appeal in criminal court and/or filed a suit in civil court (where proof of guilt/responcibility is different). do you have a civil court system?petoskystonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01633621111274495078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23047857.post-10934491313602729762008-12-13T02:59:00.000+00:002008-12-13T02:59:00.000+00:00I have to agree with you. It does seem like justic...I have to agree with you. It does seem like justice is NOT served either in England or here at home in Canada with the decision regarding the Polish immigrant that was "tasered to death" at the Vancouver airport.Dan and Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10512160127056702431noreply@blogger.com